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| I personally am of the opinion that Heart does not constitute its own Element. It is, at best, a personality trait. So unless you're going to christen the Elements of Fear, Anger, and Jerkwadiness, Heart has to remain nothing but a nice idea. |
| The elements are characterised by their linking nature. Life and death are opposites etc.. Due to this I am unsure if heart qualifies as an element seeing as it doesn't seem to be interconnected. At the same time I am not directly opposed to the "central" element theory which claims that heart is infact connected to all the other elements. I am not sure we'll ever know due to the nature of the vales. |
| I personally would like to see someone elaborate on the Jello-Fruitcup Metaphor of the Elements, particularly as it pertains to Heart. I don't recall much about it from the books, but I remember loving this theory. |
| Well, I tried to remember what I could from the last Heart workshop I attended. Does anyone else have notes to expand on the relationship between Heart and the Elmether? |
| Heart most certainly IS an element and anyone who believes otherwise is basically admitting that they like to rape little boys. You fucking pedophiles. |
| Heart is an element, but it depends on how you class elements. If you were to draw a circle and put all the other elements around the circle you wouldn't be able to describe *everything* within that circle - not until you add the Z-axis which is Heart. -Xaphod |
| Scott Ransomir weighs in on the debate here. |
| A circle is 2-dimensional and doesn't have a "Z-axis" unless you're changing the name of either the X or Y axis to "Z". As for whether "Heart" is an element, can anybody point to a single canonical example of Heart Elemenstation being performed? Didn't think so. So there! As for Mr. "rape little boys" up there, you are committing one of the most basic logical fallacies there is. Namely, Appeal to Being A Total Cockwad. You cockwad. |
| The movie "The Fith Element" is a good illustation of the idea behind the Jello-Fruitcup Metaphor's argument behind the Heart Element. Except, you know, without the jello. |
| You want canon?!? I'll give you canon. How about a little thing called Book 8!?!? How's that for canon? Obviously Asana felt that she witnessed Heart Elemenstation. |
"That was incredible... we... we should be dead," sputtered Trafficant.
He took Asana by the shoulders and backed her away from the smoldering crater where moments before had sat the Archmage's equipment. It was obvious that the entropic feedback machine would never again be operational.
Breathlessly, Asana turned her big brown eyes up and looked into Trafficant's charcoal smudged face, a single tear on her cheek, "Don't you see. It's just like the old man said. 'No power can stand against it, save love.'" She paused. "This is what he was talking about. I'm pretty sure that was... it was..." she trailed off.
"Heart Elemenstation?" Trafficant offered.
"I think so."
"Rubbish..."
Chapter 27 Book 8
| Pshaw. That's canon, but that ain't proof. You might as well claim that Lord Hopebane was really trying to bring peace to the Sickle and Gorg Stinkrot really only thought the nightstand was an end-table, because they said they were. Saying don't make it so. Asana was obviously in shock and delusional. I would say Trafficant was in a much sounder frame of mind. 'Rubbish' indeed. -patkelly |
| I know it's non-canon, but Wizbit Hearts basically comes right out and states there's a Heart Element that's superior to all else. I mean, the whole game revolves around trying to stop Frozinhart and Lex Luthor from siphoning the Heart element out of the entire universe. So while it may not be official in cannon, it's not an insane idea like so many people think. - Zeta |
| I would say that Heart is an element. However its a very pansy element unless you are dealing with true love or something in which case it can become very epic (as is the case with Trafficant and Asana (I was so mad when they broke up later)). Also I have noticed that Heart is being alluded to more and more in the RPG books which leads me to think that it will be officially incorporated soon. Still I would never make a Heart Elemenstor, that's just pansy. -bfg00 |
| I think Heart probably exists; its meaning and uses are just far less obvious than most people seem to assume. The Hyperprism theory version seems to be the most promissing. It pairs an element which mustn't be spoken of against Heart, which is discussed at length but not really __understood__. Makes sense to me. -Xero Storm |
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Comments (3)
Anonymous said
at 6:39 pm on Jan 30, 2007
I think it's pretty clear that the owners of the franchise use heart as an actual element for purposes of gameplay (video games, card games, pen and paper RPG) variety. The real debate over its existance is in the minds of the residents of Battal. The discussion of the heart debate within the wiki should probably be repurpose the pages. Additionally, although heart is canonized through its use in ELotH:TES source material (in lists of elements and elemenstations rules and its application in game mechanics) its probably worth noting the large portion of the fan base that refuses to accept any of that source material's right to exist.
Anonymous said
at 7:47 pm on Jan 30, 2007
That is a good point. I've noticed that as well.
Anonymous said
at 11:24 am on Jan 31, 2007
The fact is fanboys just like to hold on to some small,retarded,truly insignificant thing and argue about it incessantly.The issue will thusly never be resolved.
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