Where does "lightning" fall among the elements? Anybody?

Mmm, i good point, of course it depend what breed of lightning you are talking about.
The Nifty Black flavor is clearly contained somewhere in the Death school of elmenstation, and is probably a secondary element of Death itself.
You Common or Garden Lightning, usually very Pale Blue trim, is a secondary Element of Air to be sure.
Purple lightning is hard to classify, if it can be classified at all. It may be an element in it's own right, or minor-secondary element of the Stream element.
I seem to remember Not-so nifty White Lightning, which would be only know case of a Quinternary, being a sub element of the Quarternary Element Alcohol.
Yeahi think that just about covers them all, but then again, i am sleep deprived

I think it's really either a secondary or tertiary element. The trik is to figure out what it derives from. Water derives from Wir, life from water, and blood from life. I'm guessing pure lightning is a tertiary and the different types are quartenary.

I would think that it would be a tertiary element of the thermal form.

I placed it as a Quarternary element, owing ot the fact that uneven proportions of elements are used, and often with others mixed in, that it was Quarternary more often then not.

Also, first 20 on the list filled in... I can't get any more from memory, I will likely have to dig out my groups old 'Chart-O'-Quarternary's' to finish it up.

I found my Quarternary Chart yesterday. It is organized by primary and secondary elements as defined by the octahedric hyperprism hypothesis. It's very detailed, but I ought to be able to get it on the wiki this week.

Wow, that definetly beats our old one out by a quarter-mile at least... In length, that may be literal! Thanks much Asura, still-working game-heads everywhere salute you!

Oh, I've got work... I just don't sleep much.

Looking a the chart I remembered that there are in fact just as many tertiary elements as quaternary. As I recall the theorectical difference was that a tertiary has to have some inrinsic essence and the qualification for being a quaternary is mere existence. Some tertiaries are allready mentioned, such as the [Biological Elements] or the [Non-Malleable Elements] (tertiary according to mainstream sources), also I think some others might be misclassified as quaternaries, such as [Lightning] in part because we have no comprehensive list of tertiaries up yet.

I think that quaternary elements tend, by tradition, to include the so-called "Outer Tertiary" group which do not fall into the the "Tertiary Prime" grouping of Biological, Non-Malleable, etc.
We should probably not this as such in the text about Quarternary elements

Well, a tertiary element's intrinsic essence comes from being strongly associated with either a primary or secondary element, as denoted by its codon. I seem to remember that Lighting is a "Primary Tertiary" (A-A-W, if I remember correctly), and that the Biologicals are all Secondary Tertiaries (such as phlegm, which I think is B-B-H).

One can also think of the codons as a coordinate system of the appropriate octahedric hyperprism. Primary and Secondary elements are the points of the prism (such as Air, AAA). Tertiary elements are lines between two points (such as Lightning, AAW, which is the line of the prism drawn between Air and Water) and Quarternaries are triangular *planes* formed by three different points (UnWA, which I believe is "Black Ice", can be thought of as the face of the prism formed by the three points of its codon). Therefore, Quarternaries could be further classified in to "Face Quarternaries" and "Interior Quarternaries". Black Ice, for example, is a "Primary Face Quarternary", as its plane is found on the exterior of the octahedric hyperprism.

If someone could come up with a good way to express this graphically that would be cool... I'm not going to have the time to try in the near future.

preferably someone with 3d modeling skills and access to quicktime vr :)

Also vaguely related, can the maker of the original OH diagram pelase make an edit to it to add a dotted background line to represent the back faces? Members of my group seem to picture it as a pyramid owing to low space-imaging capability...

Also, I meant 'working' as in actively leading roleplay groups, no intention to say you were jobless, like myself :-D

Haha... yes, in that sense I am no longer part of a roleplaying group... that friggin "Siege of Arkleaf" tabletop module basically assured that none of us would ever speak to each other again. After my GM sang started singing the eulogy, I believe I punched him in the face. Whiskey was involved.

Anyway, I gave the classification system its own page... any help in getting it linked to other relevant pages would be appreciated. Thankx!

I think we need to be carefull to keep our terminolgies straight. I know alot of us are working with glossaries written in finnish and we have to remember that literal translations don't always work. For instance "secondary quaternary" means quinary in english, and doesn't describe anything quaternay at all.

Crap... I accidentally erased the "denfinitive list" portion when I was moving this... an a mod/admin restore that please?

Yes, my mistake... it's not "Primary Quarternary", it's "Prime Quarternary", and I think that what I was referring to as a "Secondary Quarternary" should rightly be called an "Ancillary Quarternary".

In any case, it should be remembed that being a "Prime Quarternary" describes the elements relationship to its position in the octahedric hyperprism. "Prime" or "Ancillary" are used to denote which of the hyperprisms the element is related to, and "Face" and "Interior" denote the relationship of the Element to hyperprismic structure of its surrounding elements.

Hey... I figured out how to revert the page! *pats self on back*

DONE. Well, mostly.