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The Council of Elders
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The Council of Elders
A hardcore group of fans that have been major contributors to this wiki, as well as being active on the news groups, and possibly responsible for running their own fan site at one point in the past (most are now shut down).
The Council of Elders always meet for drinks (and often drinking games at the cons, and can be recognized by the t-shirts they all wear and their habit of dropping into Shokurung or Darv in mid sentence.
Of course all fans would recognize the name of the council as a sly reference to the comically inept Council of Elders and Betters of Valedaleglenhill in Book 7.
The Council have taken on general administrative chores associated with this site.
| If the nerds that make up the Elemenstormies were a kingdom, these nerds would be kings. |
| Man, I want to make myself a new shirt for the next con, but I don't know what to pick. There's too much source material and it's been a while. Anyone have ideas? |
| I don't think I like the idea of the wiki actively supporting an elite few who somehow, by methods undisclosed on this page, get to be in "The Council of Elders," which gives the impression that their contributions are more valuable than others'. In addition, what's to stop any idiot, myself included, from adding myself to this page, removing others from it, or just screwing with it in general? Maybe it we could make a ranking system which detected how many pages a person edits, or the amount of time they spend on the wiki per day, or something other than this. Also, I'm sad because I'm not on it =) -Koopa |
| I think I remember you from one of the cons... anyway if you were there and we didn't remember to add you, just add yourself.. that's what this wiki and this community is all about. - tim |
| I think it's pretty clear that the nobody knows everyone on the council; since we play so many drinking games and stuff, and the cons are always so fun and everything, and since sometimes not everyone can make it, it's tough to keep the roster up to date. If you're a member of the council (if you got inducted when you were really drunk and can't remember, you can tell because you made a shirt), go ahead and add your name to the list. Unless you're like, a jerk, it's likely we were also too drunk to remember you being a member. Apologies in advance. -TychoCelchuuu |
| Koopa, the reason people can't just add themselfs is that, while nobody knows everybody, everyone is known by somebody. If it comes to distributing secrets we can just send them to the people we know. You deserve a place here, I'll vouche for you. - Quizatzhaderac |
| Anyway, what's the point of being a member of the CoE if you don't have !!SUPER MOD POWERS!! cue big bang, flash, quick light show, enter 4 person(s) with ripped jeans, long hair, leather shirt and electric guitars and/or other instruments.-Tanktunker |
| I was under the impression that this was just a mod list. Koopa certainly belongs on this list. Although, Tanktunker, you kinda sound like a rocker. I'm not sure if you can be a rocker and a mod. -patkelly |
| No, I am not and no, I don't think you can.-Tanktunker |
| I think we should make it clear that CoE members aren't an "elite", more of a support staff. The reason I listed our names here was so that people could contact us if they needed help with wiki business. For example, if someone needed a disputed page to be deleted, they need to to who can do that. And if someone wants mod privilages, they can just email the group and ask, then we can vote on it. I know there are people out there who have made big contributions and deserve it, we just need to be able to weed out the potential vandals. The price of being a mod is that you then have to work for the good of the wiki. At least, that's my take on things. ~Lucres |
| Ha! I just got that rocker/mod thing, patkelly. God, am I slow on the uptake or what? ~Lucres |
| Yeah, definately don't want to give the impression that we're in any way elite... no more so than the council of elders who would send three kids to their almost certain demise to save their own necks. Also the poorly made t-shirts tend to give us away as not really being very elite. -tim |
| I've added a few lines emphasizing the purpose of the CoE. With great power comes great responsibility, but with mediocre power comes even greater responsibility. ~Lucres |
| Did you just call the t-shirts poorly made? They are, my friend, clearly Epic. They only appear to be poorly made. Like, it masks their true power... Fine, the shirts suck. Does anyone know how to keep an iron-on from fading? I traced over it with a Sharpie but that doesn't work very well. |
| They are Epic indeed, but, well, kinda poorly-made. And by the way, Tim, I'm simply not going to allow you to give me any more T-Shirt ideas. I know you said she'd consider it a complement, but my girlfriend did not think that "T-Shirt of Fullchesthood" idea you had was funny. -patkelly |
| Didn't we have a rule where people with (real) girlfriends aren't allowed on the council or something? Or was that just someone being jealous and drunk at the same time? -TychoCelchuuu |
| Dude, if there are any chicks at the bar, I'm doin' em. We gotta nix that rule. --R.S. |
| It's not like there's a rule against trying. I think we just decided if anyone actually succeeded in getting a (real) girlfriend then they had probably spent a part of their lives becoming attractive/witty that they otherwise could have devoted to elothtes. That's okay for normal fans, but for the council... I dunno. -TychoCelchuuu |
| Even nerds grow old, even if we don't necessarily grow up, TC. I have a wife and two children... not to mention a stable job. I'd say that qualifies me as an "Elder" of some kind, anyways d^_^b. |
| I would think an exception applies if you had a (real) girlfriend/wife before you became a crazy hardcore fan. -TychoThisnameisgettingsortofannoyingtotypeoverandover |
| 1. I remember initiating Koopa because I don't drink, remember? 2. What's wrong with girlfriends? Or boyfriends, in the case of those of us that are girls. *Or like boys* - Dryope |
| Nothing's wrong with them, per se. I just thought at some point we figured anyone who had a (real) girlfriend/boyfriend evidently devoted time to SOMETHING that the other person found attractive; this means they devoted time to something other than elothtes. Not a sin, but certainly somewhat worrying. I mean, what's next? Showering instead of doing elothtes stuff? Reading Lord of the Rings instead of TES? It could be a dangerous, slippery slope away from fandom... -TychoCelchuuu |
| Now, TychoCelchuuu,uu,uuu,u,uuu,uu,u,u, man, I met her at an ELOTHTES convention. I was dressed up as Warchief Bogg, she was dressed up like Fantasmaphila...and she came up to me and told me my axe looked sharp--in Shokurung, no less! We talked a bit, she was impressed I was on the council. We discussed Heart elemenstation for a while (She thinks it exists! Women, I tell ya! Who gets 'em?) And a few Darv drinking games later, she invited me up to her hotel room, where she had a few semi-licensed Japanese anime. We've been together for a year now, and man, our relationship is bound by elothtes. So yeah, I think you can have a girlfriend and still be a Council member. You just need to find the right girl. --patkelly |
| Ah! Not everyone is so lucky, my friend. In your very fortunate case, time invested in ELotH:TES was doing double-duty and hooking you up with a dream babe/nerd. Me, I just hope the time I spare to brush my teeth gets me somewhere. --R.S. |
| Hey, man, you'll find someone. I mean, there's what, 14 of us on the Council right now? 13 males? And each convention there's about that many girls buried among the thousands of guys. So really, there's a girl out there for each of us! Of course, if anyone new is inducted--or we remember having inducted someone else--then that throws the whole equation out of whack. --patkelly. |
| Erm, so I feel like if I have to ask, I haven't really earned it, but is there room for honorary members? The last time I went to a convention I was too young to drink, but based on the relative ages of other members here, I was probably going to cons before most of you could read d^_^b. |
| Well, I certainly think you should be a full-fledged member. No question. In fact, I'm surprised you weren't inducted yet. You gotta show up at the conventions! Come on down to the next con and we'll induct you properly, but in the meantime I'll throw your name up on the list and send you the moderator password. And moreover, since you already have a wife, your addition won't further endanger the Council's dreams of finding girlfriends. --patkelly |
| It's an honor and a privelege. |
| I'm not quite sure drinking age has anything to do with it. I'm well below the (legal) age and I mostly drank apple cider. It was the psychological effects of the drink, not the actual alcohol content. Anything you drink during a drinking game seems to get you drunk, regardless of the intoxicant within. -TychoCelchuuu |
| That's anything you drink seems to get you drunk. And that was apple juice, we just told you that it was cider. Didn't stop you from deficatting on that cop car though. - Quizatzhaderac |
| I was... enchanting it. With poop Elemenstation. -TychoCelchuuu |
| And I don't merely sneeze, I use phlegm elemenstation, right?-Tanktunker |
| Whoa, you use phelgm elemenstation? Man, I've been trying for months, but all I can ever manage is plain ol' sneezes. --patkelly |
| I don't recommend using plegm elemenstation, it makes people angry and it can backfire, making you sticky and disgusting, btw, lol, anybody know what this is about?, because the guy there didn't accually edit any of those pages, but rather just clicked the edit button and update, and yes, it goes on for a while.-Tanktunker |
| Could be a bug with his browser or something; maybe he just, uh... Okay I have no idea what that's about. You're sure he didn't change anything? The compare thing doesn't work as of right now, and his contributor profile says he spends lots of time fixing really small stuff. -TychoCelchuuu |
| I checked alot of the pages and saw no difference whatsoever.-Tanktunker |
| Yay! welcome. Awww, that is romantic, Patkelly. *^_^* My view on personal hygiene is that, while it might appear as though it is detracting from my Elothtes time, it is really helping. What I mean is, if I am clean and well-dressed then more people will take me seriously when I tell them how awesome Elothtes is, as compared to if I looked like a crazy homeless person. So I'm converting people this way. And, you know, short skirts and low-cut tops seem to help, too. Also, thanks Tychocelchuu for reminding me why "No, officer, I don't know them." seems to be my most frequent utterance at Cons. Hmmm. He'd made no changes at all? Not even in punctuation/spelling? Freaky. - Dryope |
| Perhaps he's trying to get a "most frequent contributor" award without actually doing any work. -tim |
| Yeah, he was on for a few days doing that. I mean, it looked at one point like he was going through alphabetically. I just assumed he was making a backup or something, didn't know about the one-click backup feature, and was hitting 'update' rather than 'cancel' after hitting 'edit' to view the source text. But maybe he was just trying to see his name in lights. --patkelly |
| Now "Charming" did the same thing, I think. That or he edited like a million things in a row. -TychoCelchuuu |
| I think that Charming was adding formatting to all the Wizbits episodes. -tim |
| Tim's right, Charmy added the Moral, Actors, etc. templates to all the episodes. --patkelly |
| I'm easily confused, is all. -TychoCelchuuu |
| Yes, I was indeed unifying the episode guides for The Wizbits. I added a little note about it to "Help Wanted", in fact, so I wouldn't be accused of edit whoring. Funny how that didn't work out. :P ~ Charmy |
| You overestimated my intelligence by a factor of 23. In some countries that will get you killed. -TychoCelchuuu |
| 23! Dang, that's one big IOF. --R.S. |
| Yeah, that's big difference. For those non math people that means that Tycho was only 1/100000000000000000000000 as smart as he thought. - Quizatzhaderac |
| Nah, I'm not that desperate to see my "name" in lights. And if you can't notice a difference in what I do, Tank, you need to look closer. It's the little things. Like misspellings. Like having a link "Back to the Main Page" linked to http://elothtes.pbwiki.com/ instead of FrontPage. How difficult is that to do? But how annoying it is when not done properly. Or people calling it elothes - what the hell is elothes? It's ELotH:TES, or at the very least, elothtes, sheesh. If our contributors weren't busy making so many mistakes, some of which are admittedly minor, I'd have time to add some new content instead of fixing broken crap. However, I see now that it doesn't matter what inconsistencies we have! So, I'll definitely stop worrying about those things, and start making up random crap. Since there isn't any recognized value in correcting errors, don't worry, I'll cease and desist with that little pursuit of mine. You don't have to tell me twice. Instead, I'll spend my time on more important tasks - such as making entries like A, T, and o3. Now those are high quality contributions, Tank. |
| No need to get so defensive. 0_o We do appreciate the fixing of errors, we do. We just were not sure what you were doing, though, so we were curious. - Dryope |
| If only I weren't bound to not being a jerk, J/K, anyway, point out where I insulted you? Anyway, if you want to know what all that's about follow it to the page before the last. Anyway2, yes, I think it's safe to say that it's much more enjoyable to write stuff than to fix other people's stuff.-Tanktunker, oh, BTW, There's a big red, underlined link at the top left part of every single page leading to the index AKA FrontPage. |
| This is perhaps a good time to remember a piece of sage Internet advice, one that allows cooler heads to prevail: "When in doubt, chill." People make casual errors or small misjudgements and mean no harm by them. In face-to-face contact, such a miscommunication would be swiftly corrected and nothing thought of it. Lest we misinterpret the person sitting at a terminal far away, remember -- we are essentially doing this for fun, ja?
I very much appreciate the spelling error corrections, Kemper. And the links Charmy's adding do a lot to unify the structure of our pages. This is admittedly thankless work most of the time, but you opt to shoulder it, and it raises the overall quality and professional look of the wiki. I don't think anyone here feels different about that, either.
I'm just sitting here thinking, "If this all took place in a bar..." Isn't it high time we planned our next drinking game get-together? Who's going to PAX next year? ;) --R.S.
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| I now, more than ever, regret my whole living-on-the-other-side-of-the-globe thing, regardless of the fact that I'm under drinking age, since I could always get a fake ID and claim I'm a midget and I'll sue the bartender for discrimination on basis of disability if he doesn't give me a drink and fast.-Tanktunker |
| Actually. now that I think about it, a fake ID from a another country would be a pretty good idea. Who can tell if an Australian driver's license is fake? It almost makes me regret the ability to legally buy alchohol. - Quizatzhaderac |
| Kemper: Part of the problem is that it seems the Compare feature is/was down. At the moment, it's still down. Honestly, I would click to compare your revision with the previous one, and I would get, no joke, the message Both versions are identical! Try it now. But regardless, nobody was attacking you. We were simply trying to figure it out. Popping in here and telling us, "hey, I know it's hard to see, but I do a lot of grammatical edits and link fixing and such" would have instantly resolved the whole situation. And there is certainly no need to call other people's entries "broken crap" and "random crap," nor is there the need to declare "If our contributors weren't busy making so many mistakes, then I'd have time to make some new content." Even if people were attacking you--which they were not; we were simply wondering why you seemed to have so many identical revisions--directly insulting people's work and proclaiming the community to be a group of illiterates are can only escalate the situation. We're here to have fun, not to argue. Personally, most of my edits are grammatical. I try to correct any errors I see. I understand your sitatuation. But this does not "get in the way" of making new work. If I feel like making something new, I do. If I feel like bringing what we have up to a higher standard, I do. When you claim that we all write "crap" so bad you don't even have time to unleash your own genius, you are attacking the entire community of contributors. And that is entirely uncalled for, no matter how badly your work was accidentally maligned. Now. That said, Kemper, you do extremely valuable work. You honestly do make the Wiki a better place. But the nature of your work--making things read the way they ought to--makes it difficult for others to see it. After all, isn't that the point of copyediting? To make it so that people don't even notice the text itself, but instead immerse themselves in what the text is saying? ~patkelly |
| To my knowledge (see one of my above comments) the compare thing has been broken a while. It's pretty annoying actually. Now that Kemp mentions it though, what the heck is up with "A, T, o3" and all that other stuff? Am I missing out on something? -TychoCelchuuu |
| By the way, it would appear that Kemper has deployed the Grammarous Anorus on us all. -tim |
| Not that that's a bad thing. I myself spend much of my time deleting commas. Someone figure out that A crap. Hurry; I'm curious, yet I have a short attention span. -TychoCelchuuu |
| I believe that Tanktunker devised the page Paradox, hoping to make it the new index page. ~patkelly |
| Yeah, but why? We've *got* an index page, and it's not particularly interesting to click through the letters to get there. I don't see the point. -Montykins |
| Yeah, I figured that about a page too late...-Tanktunker |
| Should there be an easier-to-find link to this page? I mean, if the purpose is to allow the community access to us, shouldn't we be on the front page, down at the bottom near "Comments", "Requests for Deletion", "Disputed Pages", and the like? Actually, I think there should be, and am creating such a link now. EDIT: Or, rather, will, once Tanktunker is done doing whatever he's doing. ~patkelly |
| I figured sticking us under fan organizations was good enough, since that's where we belong really. I guess you can stick the link wherever you feel like, though. -TychoCelchuuu |
| As a purely fan organization, I agree--we should be listed there. But I was under the impression this list also existed so people could theoretically come to us with problems/questions/issues, and as such we should probably be easy to find. If you disagree, though, be all means remove it. Oh, and Tanktunker, after 30 minutes had passed, I stole your edit lock. If you were still there, I'm sorry. ~patkelly |
| I think that the Council as a fan organization and the group of site administrators really deserve different pages... I mean there are people from the Council that I haven't even seen on the Wiki (where are you MaxxLoxx?) -tim |
| I have no problem with the changes you've made, tim. I didn't really have a problem with the way it was, either, though. d^_^b |
| Quandary; I feel my contributions, both on this wiki and at the conventions, qualifies me to be a member of The Council of Elders. However, I also feel it would be incredibly, incredibly presumptuous to ask to be included, especially considering the epic work so many other people have done here. So I'm going to not ask anything, and instead stare at the corner while humming loudly. :P ~ Charmy |
| Woah, I thought we initiated you. We didn't? Maybe we only talked about it. Or maybe I am losing my mind. - Dryope |
| I definitely thought that already happened! That should be seen to. --R.S. |
| Hey guys! I finally got around to checking out the wiki.. I like what you've done with the place... a lot of familiar faces from the old days. -MaxxLoxx |
| I made an error with a picture file and when I tried to correct it, the old file "lulzword.JPG" refuses to die I've deleted it three times, uploaded the proper file twice, and still it displays the old verison, wheather or not it says it has any version under that name. - Quizatzhaderac |
| I had that problem too.. but after I uploaded the file if I hit "refresh" on my browser the image was the correct one. -Tim |
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