first post testing discussions for elothtes.

a second post, confirming that this actually works. yay, and enjoy!

Ha! Ha!
I'm discussing the FrontPage!

Hmm. So now the question. What is this discussion best used for? And now I understand--leaving OOC comments. What opinions have we on this proposal? Is anyone even aware these exist?

I was aware. I was hoping we could use the Discussion page in place of all those little comments that adorn the bottoms of unfinished pages and what not, but I suppose OOC discussion isn't a bad idea either. Especially as we can't edit our Discussion messages should "canon" change later.

You can't edit your messages because we can't be sure who you are - there's no individual logins on pbwiki, only class logins (Reader/Contributor/Mod/Admin). I'm planning to put in the ability to delete or at least hide comments, and let Mods and Admins toggle between those states. The whole discussion thing is a bit of an experiment now but will remain as at least the level of functionality here. Probably more elaborate as time goes on but it's a start, right? -nathan/pbwiki

This is very nice. I agree with keeping it all OOC; in fact, since this is set apart, it's the only good place for OOC.

Crimethinkers :P

Woo! Fun stuff. A very useful separation. Thanks, PBWiki fellows.

This discussion page >>>>>>>>>> Scrambled Discussion.

You know what I'd like to see? A science fiction version of ELotH:TES. Just putting that out there in case people are interested. I'm much more into sci-fi than fantasy.

Well, you could create your own pbwiki. It *is* free.

SamSim -- That would be fun... Hrmmmm.

I lack the technical ability, sadly.

You don't need technical ability. Just go to http://www.pbwiki.com, type in a name for your wiki and email address, and they'll send you a password. It'll be set up more or less like this one from the get-go. You just need to fill in the content. The pbwiki guys will do the technical stuff.

One piece of advice, SamSim; don't jump right into it. I think a lot of the success of this wiki is that the main points were fleshed out by Tycho and the crew, and contributors have even more to draw on with all the Penny Arcade stuff. If you just set it up with the vague instructions of 'Sci-Fi' wiki, it will probably end up pretty convulted. Take a few days and figure out what the main points of the Sci-Fi series are going to be before you do it, and it'll probably turn out better for it.

Charmy, I took your advice to heart and made http://chromegarden.pbwiki.com/

A story and a timeline exists...

Ye lacks thee olde password, kindler.

ottochromo

Ah, I'm be startering to rea dthe tale.

I had an idea for the front page, Natural Hazards/ Diseases of battal. Is that good? If it isn't i'll jump. Seriously, i'll do it.

Speaking of making other wikis, I just wanted to point out "Lexicon", in case you haven't heard of it. A few years ago, someone thought up an interesting idea for a game to play on a wiki. I think you'll find the concept familiar, though more structured than what we're doing here. http://www.20by20room.com/2003/11/lexicon_an_rpg.html I imagine if a group of us wanted to get together to start such a game on a new topic, there might be many interested participants (assuming the topic was agreeable).

That's pretty neat accually, but wouldn't that require massive amounts of crimethinking? Crimethinker. Anyway, if other people want ot try it out, I suggest we get a seperate wiki, so that other people can't interfere and if it's a sucess, we post it here. I suggest maybe expanding on one of the existing articles yet either large or obviously destined to become large, like the P&PRPG or the book of laws.

Samsim and R. Smith, check out http://chromegarden.pbwiki.com
It's got pretty big timeline so all sorts of technology levels could exist.. still lots of unanswered questions, so plenty to fill in.
-Tim

Rhok Wagley: Go ahead and do it. Sounds promising.

Tanktunker - I definitely wasn't thinking of doing it on this wiki. Besides, it's a game about writing fiction whereas what we're documenting is real. I just thought it had a similar flavor and that contributors here might like it. Here's a list of some example Lexicons people have done: http://gamegrene.com/wiki/Lexicon_games

Sandormar: The discussion section is OOC. Crimethink's allowed here.

Ifyoudon'tmind, I'm adding an "Ailments of Battal" link in the front page.

Seems like the frontpage is getting a little out of hand.. I'm going to pare down the Wizbits links since they are mildly redundant

Hmm, who else thinks that changing the main page into an index index, with the "Items" link linking to "Weapons" and "Armors and Shields" etc?

I think it's fine the way it is, but I could see the value of doing it that way. Any more discussion, or should we just start the task now?

how about somebody tries it and decides if it looks friendly...

M'kay.

Nah, doesn't look nice, I reverted it.

Ooh-er. That sci-fi thing sprung up rather faster than I imagined. I was hoping to spend a few days figuring out a direction for it before leaping into a thousand-year timeline.

Orange!

Grrr-een.

African American!

Any reason the BG to the t-shirts box was black?

African American.

Okay, I'm missing something here. Oh, God, please help me!

African American!

Someone changed the T-Shirt announcement to orange because it was cool. I guess someone made it green, then black. Now it;s back to normal.

I woulda liked to see it in orange... hrmmm.

I think it looks fabulous.

Spectacular, even.

pink! pink is my favorite color. *_*

Ah, a beautiful pink.

If purple is a close second, Dryope, check out the shirt auction. ;)

Barely Readable!

Why is there a Japanese FrontPage?

So that people that read only japanese and somehow maneuvered their way here have something to read.

It's like what Wikipedia's got.

Anyone think it's a good idea to move the logo from the Elemenstor's intro page to the main page?

Well, there it is. Not sure if I like it.

I like it there. Good to have an "official" page for disputes and suchlike. Plus, it lets us use the "discussion" pages for humerous in-character discussion (for example, I think the Drinking and Pill Binge page looked better with a twisted discussion related to the veracity of the binge).

Ooh! Nice header.

If I do say so myself, I really like this arrangement of "Epic Legends of the Hierarchs" in terms of use as part of the brand identity..

Well, so then I guess we'll keep it.

Am I the only one who gets "Both versions are identical!" on any diff, no matter what?

No, everyone does. That feature is down.

Okay, Tanktunker, it's been 30 minutes. I am now going to steal your edit lock. I apologize in advance for any inconvenience I may be causing you if you are actually still editing the frontpage.

Diff support is mildly borked. I'm fixing it. Apologies.

Mildly? More like completely. It's cool though; you can still manually check out the pages.

Re David: Thanks :)

I had realized that you can just take the s off the front of the diff url and get the old client side diff, so had been doing so.

Ok, so now the cancel button is bork too? Or is it just my borken browser, borken computer or borken internet?

Diff support is fixed now. Sorry. I suck.

No, you rAwk, with a capital a.

Of course the javascript diff is still infinitely more informative...

Guess I'll stick with the Javascript then.

It would be really just exceedingly helpful to know what you like more about one than the other - you prefer the word-based versus line-based diffs?

yeah... most of the edits here are only of a few characters on a page, so since the whole thing gets struck through it's a little hard to diff..
It's especially hard with this wiki since people tend not to insert a lot of carriage returns, so a "line" ends up being a paragraph.
diffing for instance the front page when the color of the box changes, it's pretty hard to tell what is different at a glance.

Ok, we'll work on improving our server diff support. :)

Everything's bigger! On this page, I mean. The text.

What I really want is the ability to highlight a sentence, click a button, and be told who added it. But I can see how that would be really complicated on the back end.

Yeah, freaking tough. Imagine if like 4 people changed parts of the sentence. Jeez that would get weird.

Really cool though. Maybe in 4 years.

Ack, everything is large.

Sorry about the large, looking into it.

It looks nice actually, IMHO.

How do you ban someone? Some guy just stupidified the front page and I had to revert it. Tanktunkert or something his nick was.

is it possible to have a set of links on the front page for 'most viewed' pages?

I mentioned on the [To-Do] page a couple days ago that I think the frontpage needs a major revision to reduce clutter and make navigation easier. This would involve cutting down the number of header bars (currently there are EIGHT!), reducing the number of specific links from the frontpage and instead including "topic links" (i.e. the Items link would stay, but the individual "famous hats" etc. links would only be visible from the Items page; and like that for all the other categories, too), and possibly trying a Wikipedia-style Featured Page or Recently Added pages. Anybody have any comments/suggestions about that? I don't want to unilaterally redesign the whole thing...

I think that is a lovely idea, Toshi. ^_^ I say do it!

That would be very nice. I am, however, unable to do that. That takes like, skill and stuff. I just know how to write words; anything beyond a simple table escapes me. Get someone else to do it :D

Just formatting and organizing? Ok. But I would ask that we make this all on a separate page, give the community a chance to voice protest -- and if it passes inspection, we put it up.

I agree with the idea of uncluttering the main page.

Oi, what's up with Tanktunker? He's spamming the main page.

I'm flattered, I have an impersonator, a stupid, vandal one, but still an impersonator. No, I didn't change the front page to the hoax thing.

The price of being a well-known contributor, I guess. I know you wouldn't do stuff like that, Tank. These vandals will stoop to anything, won't they?

I just have a question- how do you add the sidebar?

to a wiki? just make a page named SideBar.

I kept making things like sidebar and Sidebar, no wonder!

All right all, take a look at [TestFrontPage]. The header links have not been made, obviously, and those that do work don't go to pages that have been updated to reflect their new function- so please IGNORE LINKS. Basically, every link currently on the frontpage that is not on the TestFrontPage would be relocated to a "sub-hub" page (or more than one, no reason to avoid redundancy) where common sense dictates you would look for it. Each of these sub-hubs could have a paragraph of introductory text about the topic, then a list of relevant topic links like are in the current frontpage, though perhaps more detailed. I re-organized the categories to be less redundant, too. Thoughts?

I like the idea, but it really doesnt cut down on the bulk much-it has about the same number of links (very loose approximation), and spreads things out even further.

Yeah, it's still really freaking linky. Do we even need all the sub-headings under the main ones? We'd be much cleaner and iPod-ish without them. By iPod, I mean sleek and sophisticated, not white and shiny.

I disagree -- I find the test front page is a bit smaller, and what links it has seem to be better organized. It uses more horizontal and less vertical space, and I find that broader shape more appealing to the eye. Plus, there aren't like nine tiny one-line/box announcements floating around it. I don't see a problem with the front page having a fair number of links, if it's easy to skim -- newcomers could see, at a glance, what sorts of topics exist and what they can jump to with a click.

Does it work with the SideBar?

TychoC:It certainly does work with the SideBar! In fact you can't apparently make a page without the SideBar once there is a SideBar, so the SideBar is on the TestFrontPage now... I considered leaving out the lists under each sub-hub link, but I wanted to give examples of what sort of things are on each sub-hub.
Anywho- It does still have a lot of links, but I cut them about in half, which says a lot about the current state of the FrontPage. RSmith has discovered my secret plan entirely ^_^.

seems like the new "recent changes" aren't actually showing all the changes... like my chance to the source code for the broken link generator... also.. what's up with the strikethrough on the mo-pi change?

I don't think their algorithm for picking out the changes to the page likes it when you make sweeping changes to a large paragraph of text so it gets confuses and strikes the whole block out, even if you've just made several cuts and stitches like I did on on the mo-pi page. The new "recent changes" has a bug with the DHTML code too... if you expand the last at the bottom of the page and scroll down past the changes for that entry, you'll see all the other changes that happened before it -- somehow certain snippets of changes to page cause the rest of the changes to get rolled up under the "+" sign for that entry. Your change to the source code page is on there, just hidden... which is a bit weird certainly.

Erm... Could you people stop changing spelling mistakes in the comments in the articles? It would be more 'realistic' this way.

Hm, sorry for the bugs with Changes. I'm going to be working on it some more this week! And don't forget, RecentChanges is still around. :)

It'd be cool if there were something like the RecentChanges page that only showed the last 2 days or so.. it would load quickly, but not be destroyed by the kind of thing I just did (edit the frontpage 20 times and blow away most of the entries on the changes.php page)

Yeah, I was trying to articulate something like that on the Comments page here... that would be really useful. I like the idea of the "+" part but the format of the entries of RecentChanges is better. A combination of both would be the coolest I think.

Oh yeah and the new front page is **tight**. Also sorry I haven't contributed in the last couple of days... it's like this when I'm at work, but I'll certainly do stuff at the weekend if I don't add anything during the week. ;)

And I've been sick as a dog. Anything I write would probably be half-coherent ranting.

Hope you feel better TC, although half-coherent ranting would blend right in here.

Whoa - the new recent changes system is incredisexy. I love just the simple "click plus" to see the change, even comment!

moved the new list of board games into Merchandise and Collectibles because there was already a board games section there

Oh poo. I must have missed it. Sorry.

Yes, I actually say things like 'poo'.

I think we should whip up some javascript for the front page that picks a random quote and an object that we are particularly fond of.

That would be awesome... possibly even "teh" awesome. If I was a younger man, I'd probably know a word ending in "-z0r" that could convey this feeling properly.

Sounds great. I can't wait for it to say that we are fond of swords.

My experience with Javascript consists of acting like I know what it is, but could we make it so we could like, tag particlar lines that would then be randomly shown on the front page?

I'd like a random quote and object, but at the same time, I don't think any would capture ELotH:TES as well as Tell me more... does.

I agree with TychoC here. I mean, ther are lots of great ELotH:TES quotes out there, but how can you top "the furniture and the glory"? I always thought that line just summed up the entire wiki...

*there. Damn keyboard, messing with my mind...

Actually patkelly said that. I think there are lots of quotes that can sum it up. Like the one we have now: "Wait a second... Reyarteb... Reyarteb... Has anybody noticed that's Betrayer spelled backwards??"

I'm quite fond of the revelatory "Reyarteb" quote myself, but a random quote-generator would be a nice touch! Could one of you talented wikimenstors mayhap have it select the choicer samples of the quotes page? Anything from Char's lips is epic literary gold, although Harbinger Portent and Lord Kinlo shined on occasion...

are there really any good harbinger portent quotes?

Sure! Remember when that guy told him those things, and harbringer answered:
"I'll put this into your soup.", and smacked him with his elemenstave?

Updated the Show/Hide SideBar code - Works in IE6 and Firefox 1.5 now, for me at least. I could add browser detect if people are using an IE ver < 6, but really people. ;)

Woot works for me too. That's neat.

Someone messed with the page again. I don’t recall the changes that were made since the backup, so I just copied and pasted it hoping someone who remembered could fix it.

Some PACT member put a "ELotH:TES IS A HOAX" message in the Frontpage and an ugly guy pic. Fixed it.

We were struck again. Repair't.

Do you think that I could put advertisement for new charity action: www.buymesomeram.com ? It helps fans of ELotH:tES. Namely, me.

Isn't it neat that pbwiki actually uses elothtes to advertise? We're an actual online novel, comparable to some vampire shit! http://pbwiki.com/tour/4.html

:D

Yeah, right up there with Susan Dennis' shopping list. We've hit the big time. I volunteer to do the 60 Minutes interview.

Yep, pretty neat.

I may safely say that Broken Link day... turned out nice again.

Scroll down to the "R's" on this page to find a reference to ELotH. Maybe we should start finding these external refrences and cataloging them here, too.
http://www.gwonline.net/characters/names/malemelee.php?query=&page=50&limit=50

cool.. make a page for it.. start with this, the wired article, and the wikipedia entry

I had this card game idea, but I am not sure where to put it.
Can anyone help?

might I suggest http://elothtes.pbwiki.com/Merchandise%20and%20Collectibles or http://elothtes.pbwiki.com/Games%20and%20Sports

Fix'd the front page.

Elemenstormers are going to be online again. The dudes tell me, that the old adress won't be used, and it will take some time to get the site running...
The forums will be up soon - most of the information is lost, though.

http://www.atfreeforum.com/elemenstormers/index.php

Feel free to register.

awesome

Umm... Not sure where else to mention this-- But one of the fan-art pictures has been repalced, recently, with a picture of a chick in lingerie-- It looks like this is the third re-reversion of the file, so I though it would bear mention.

Who the heck is Ivana Stefarina, and why has the world of actual hot chicks cataclysmically met with the world of fictional hot chicks? I don't think the picture is supposed to be there, it looks perhaps just a tad bit off-kilter for a site about ELotH:TES. (I beleive it might be the same pic Ariamakai is talking about)

No, no, she is a friend of mine. ^_^; I thought the pic looked Stefarina-ish and asked if it was okay to put it up and she said that was cool by her

Your friend is incredibly hot.

'Nuff said.

She is a ballet major, that is why she is in such good shape. :) She is also very moody, which tends to keep the boy-types at bay.

If moodyness kept men away from women the species would be extinct.

Holy Crap, Guys and Gals! It's been over half year! I just want to say that I had actually great time working with you!

I'm writing the books. Yes, this is crimethinking. Please help me on http://epicnovels.pbwiki.com by listing AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE what is mentioned in the first book.

What, you mean like, *rewriting* them?

Oh, nice one Johan... or should I say... L. H. FRANZIBALD! It is SICKENING to me as a fan that you have taken our wiki and twisted it into a tool for looting the intellectual property of a superior mind... I hope you CHOKE ON YOUR LIES!

<crimethink>The books are fake. They do not exist. Tycho and Gabe (PA Tycho and Gabe, not Writer-Tycho and Stalker-Gabe) have admitted to it being a hoax. I'd like the books not to be fake. Besides, I need the writing practice. </crimethink>

Hoi!

Sorry I been gone so long, but I'm back.

And with a vengance.

If we're descending into crimethink, I have to say I think the whole thing is a lot more fun if the books don't actually exist. The idea of a fully-developed fandom with books that are only glimpsed through random quotes and references is more entertaining than if there were actual books written.

In fact, I'll go farther -- if the books (or cartoon series or games or whatever) actually existed, people wouldn't be able to invent quotes and references, which would take away the whole point.

Concurance met. 'Tis better to let it be a mystery, that we may never have an end to the craziness.

Plus, this being a wiki, even the oldest facts aren't immune to updates 'n new ideas. The less permanent soil we have, the more we can mess with.

certainly there is presidence of fan works that "re-imagine" the books though, so as an effort to do that, I certainly commend it...

additionally, welcome back Jute Mill!

yeah... brownie...

Uhm, shall I just write some fiction about War Men and their underground tunnels, then?

An intresting series I have yet to read.

Okay... I changed the quote so it's centered when the sidebar is visible, but now it's not centered when you hide the sidebar. Personally I never hide the sidebar, so I think this way looks better... but I don't know why it was changed in the first place, so somebody feel free to let me know.

Why can't I see those Song of Sorcelator comics?

Seriously, WTF is with changing the quote with other mathematician's names? Do we need to lock the Front Page?

Might I suggest a firm 'yes' to that?

could lock it.. but I've heard the argument that if you give them something easy to vandelize (and easy to fix) it stops them from going after other things that are more of a pain to find/fix

HELP! I commented "The imitator will cease to speak now. Cease!" on the TSOTS wiki, and they turned it around on us!
There must be a way...and that way is..ALL OUT WAR.

....I just want to burn TSOTS the FUCK DOWN.

My Ronard! Does anyone heard what has happened on Readiation?! Apparently, there's been some bloodshed. And I don't mean the regular convention 'where the fuck are my dice' bloodshed, but some serious shit! Who was supposed to go there? What the fuck is going on?!!!!!one!!!111!!!eleven???

Apparently some Sorcelator bitch got himself shot at. Not at all unexpected, if you ask me.

Yea for the righteous nightstand.

There are rumors that Tycho Brahe's companion Gabe lept in front of the bullet at the last second, but nothing can be confirmed yet. It's CHAOS right now!

I heard Gabe only accidentally lept in front of the bullet, when he was in fact trying to save the Fruit Fucker that was toppling off its display platform. God knows what that thing was doing at Readiation.

I have heard the worst. That the End Times are upon us. That the world itself shall spindle and mutilate into nonexistence.

If this is so, let me just say this:

Fgsfds.

We're getting a lot of vandalism lately. Not like the Bad Old Days, but still enough to cause annoyance.

Anyone else notice that we're only 83 entries away from hitting the 5000 page mark?

Anyone else figure out that L.H. Franzibald is in fact Gabe?
Seems pretty obvious.

Dude. No fudging way.

I think Gabe took a bullet for Franzibald. So it's unlikely they're the same person.

Oooh . . . new comment template.

And what if the "L H Franzibald" that showed up at Readiation was really a fake, and the shooter knew that, and shot Gabe because he knew what he was?

How do I shot we.... Get that little sidebar thing/

Alongside my comments, that is.

Ohhh, I see. Neat.

Neat.

This is a pretty cool addition to the Wiki.

(actually that was 4989) :)

Oh, lol, my bad.

Whatever happened to the mindless automaton?

that script broke when they changed the login script. I'll have to give Charlie a nudge to get him to fix it.

Alright, this cannot be borne. Forwarding our frontpage to Song of the Sorcelator's wiki? Sabotage most foul!

There's not a page-counter anywhere to keep track of our post-5000 adventures, is there?

if you click on "all pages" it tells you how many pages we've got, if that's what you're looking for.

I believe the 5000th page was . . . Kittens. Yay! Kittens!

'tis, yeah. Danke.

the "science" page and the "forms of government" page don't seem to be indexes like the rest... and I'm not sure that they're even depict realistic comprehensive analysis of other content that appears on this wiki..
somebody want to adopt these? probably links like this shouldn't really be on the front page since they're not really category or introduction pages

what does anybody think about http://elothtes.elwiki.com ?

It's more legible - but switching the system would be a quilp in the ass.

I think that a switch could be easily arranged.. but only if it were desirable.

Well, there's a lot of formatting and such on this site... I think we'd need a pretty compelling reason to switch. pbwiki seems to be doing just fine.

Why was the list of spells taken off the front page? I know they aren't as cool as gears, but they do play an important role in Battal - even the Elemenstors use them a lot. Now they're just sort of buried at the bottom of the list of gears...

spells are mainly used in the rpg and never by elemenstors (unless you can find some exceptions) I don't think they really are a big part of the fiction. that's why I swapped where the gears were listed and where the spells were listed.

if we were serious about wanting to switch then obviously I'd spend a little more time on formatting it correctly.. the main motivater for me would be this: http://elothtes.elwiki.com/index.php/Special:Specialpages

on top of that, pbwiki can't show revisions for pages that have been edited a bunch of times and the broken link coloring is broken on IE and the css for this pbwiki is 500k so you can't really browse the site on a mobile device. I'm sure eventually pbwiki will fix these things...

just wanted to get a feel if anybody else had a wiki preference

as for the spells/gears.. same reason why there isn't a "familiar list" on the front page.. part of what makes eloth:tes unique are the unique things that it brings to the table.

I've always thought that a familiar list is a list we all know.

Groan.

Ok, terrible jokes apart:
As I have learned recently, you don't have to be able to draw to create a webcomic. In fact, you don't even have to be funny. Or deep. Or anything at all. I'm going to try my best as humor... Ok, yadda yadda yadda.
After the exams end, I'm going to make a roguelike webcomic. With '@' as a main character. And probably set in Battal. Fun or not?

@ = fun
a rogue game set in battal = Elebdenam!

You mean Elemengband?

Oh, and drop by at http://kungfoorooster.pbwiki.com/ I always liked the show.

elebdenam is the word that jerry holkins made up at e3 when he signed my elemenstor book and said that it was a "word of jubilation" from the series.. I've been doing my best to propagate it into the wiki

that sounds like crimethink.

more work to try to balance the length of the left and right columns, a continuing struggle.. moved wizbits extreme and the movies. Trying to get the front page to mostly contain links to category pages and info that is *very important* in order understand the overall franchise

Hey i just noticed that they've allowed people like me to change the names of things(when did this happen?). So is it reasonable to do some spelling fairy-ing with names and such? This is of course also assuming responsibility for the correction of the resulting broken links.

nice.. go for it

Nice wiki u got here... drop by at mine and comment on mine at http://www.footballingfrenzy.pbwiki.com. Cheers!

footballingfrenzy.pbwiki.com brill page

James

http://www.footballingfrenzy.pbwiki.com.

What exactly is this _IT_ that we have been ordered to suck? Further deliberation on this matter would be excellent.

I think it would be tragic/hilarious if it really was Jerry Holkins that kept intermittantly sabotaging the frontpage

I would also find that hilarious. Although, the only reason I could think that he would have for sabotaging it would be if he had a bad day or something, and suddenly decided to destroy something which he started...

I wonder if asking him would be prudent/fruitful?

Managed to scan a classic ELotH:TES logo from the early roleplaying games and added it to the top of the home page. (Was sick of seeing that fan-art banner.)
Is it cool to use the classic one, or should I scan some more updated logos?

yeah.. good to finally start using some of the official logos.. I've always like the classic one (the new one always seemed more sci-fi to me)..

Man, I've never even seen that logo before. That's wicked awesome, Nick.

Go for it. Although they start to make me feel nostalgic.

testing 1 2 3

Kingdom of loathing joined the circle of tribute for the saga. See:
http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Animated_nightstand_%28dark%29

Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but an anonymous host keeps putting a huge list of invisible links into the front page. It's happened enough to make me wonder if it's automated...? We've discussed (and rejected) locking the Front Page before. Any thoughts on this new and oddly persistent vandalism? It's been from three different IPs now.

wow.. that's crazy... I hadn't notice that

Apparently it is linking to a site that is intended to foul up spambots, although I'm not sure how valid it is. Anybody know?

Well it seems to have stopped. The links, though, were to rather a great deal of porn.

"Rather great deal"- That's relative, right? I mean, it is the internet.

Well, you know. Relative to the ELotH:TES wiki, I guess. d^_^b

hey.. WTH! No broken link day!?!

I forgot we were supposed to have one.

Also, while I've got everyone's attention: two weeks after BLD, on November 14th, is this Wiki's first birthday (see http://www.penny-arcade.com/2005/11/14). We should do something special...

That is definitely a good idea.

...........woooah, we've been around that long? Sweet.

the day after that is the big release of the 10th anniversary edition of Book 1

True, I need to get that when it comes out. Apparently they re-edited it based on the original manuscript, as opposed to the 5th anniversary edition. That thing was a travesty.

Me want, me want. Aaaah, but the line at the bookstore was sooooo long. I should have pre-ordered it.

So what are we doing for the 1 year birthday of the wiki? Its only in a week.

its.. like.. tomorrow, right?

Its on the 14th apparently which is next Tuesday.

NOW it's tomorrow. I still haven't any bright ideas what we should do though. Seems like the only real celebration we do around here is BLD's, and we just had one of those. Maybe we all just agree to raise a glass to ELotH:TES at a given point. Seems too small a gesture, really, but...

Truly to small of a gesture for such an epic wiki and cycle. I don't have any bright ideas either though.

/me sings "Happy Birthday" to the Wiki

Hooray for everyone who contributed, and for everyone who read stuff that was contributed, and for all the search engine bots that make it look like lots of people read stuff that was contributed!

Oh, and is continuing to contribute. Not dead yet!

Happy Birthday to the most epic of Wikis!

Huzzah for everyone!

Excellent, Mindless Automaton has returned. Thanks Tim. d^_^b

yep :)

Thanks alot.

Hey, would there be any way to write a script to randomize the quote on this page to display random ones from the Quotable Quotes page?

I don't see why not (probably the Mindless Automaton could do it) but I'm not a programmer. Tim, thoughts?

should be possible.. I'll look into it...

Figure I would start the sign up for BLD as it is in 2 weeks.

Are the page view number accurate? I can't belive that they are, especially for pages I know I've visited several times on multiple computers but which claim to have been visited 1 or 2 times.

Yeah, I've been suspect of that too.

I think the Automaton died again.

I'll look into it

Sorry to be a pest but the Automaton appears to still be down.

Looks like everything is back. Thanks PBWiki guys.

As for the automaton, is this something someone could take over running, Tim? I don't know much about it, but if it's simple I would be happy to run the bot myself.

The automaton is a perl script that is on a machine that is currently packed and moving to California. When that machine arrives at its destination, it should once again resume its duties.

Ah! Well, excellent then. d^_^b

download http://elothtes.pbwiki.com/f/blt.zip and the wiki backup zip and you should be able to generate broken links/most wanted

Cool. Thanks.

Are we allowed to call dibs on pages?

I'm not totally sure what you mean, but it is common practice to note "I will be back to finish this later..." on a page. Of course, some pages sit like that for a LONG time (see MooMaa, for instance) so it's not 100% guarantee, but it can't hurt to note that you'll be back to do a particular page later.

Okay, sounds good.

There's been some trouble recently with pages like ELotH:TES Movies and some TCG expansions thinking they're URLs instead of intrawiki links. Can anything be done about that or do we have to move the pages to get rid of the :s?

I'm thinking we may have to go through and ditch the :'s in links which is sad because they are important punctuation for ELotH:TES. Obviously its a conspriacy against the free usage of punctuation.

You guys are complete editing animals. I am amazed at the amount of work getting done lately. Nice job!

Well I saw that Zeta had started to work on the Back to and Missing Back to lists and I decided to join in. Hopefully we can get the orphaned pages, mispellings, back to, and missing back tos all cleaned up.

As some of you have noticed, pages that have :'s in the link don't work properly anymore. This is because the browser is treating them as a protocol and not as a link. We will need to go through and revise all the pages with :'s in the name (just the link to the page) probably by changing them to -'s or just excising them completely. Please refrain from using :'s in your links. If a person has time they could design a script to go through and look for :'s and change them to -'s for the links, that would be a huge help.

Okay, it looks like what is broken is anything with a : in the *first word* of the link. On the front page, note that "ELotH:TES Movies" is broken, but "Other ELotH:TES Animation" is not. Similarly the ElamenSTAR "Final Battle:" episodes are all working fine. I've dropped a note on the "bugs" forum.

Okay, there's no need to revise the pages with : in the name. PBWiki staff is on it: "Thank you for reporting the issue. We will try to get this resolved this week or next. We've assigned an internal ID number of 227 to this bug." So all shall be well, soon enough. d^_^b

Okay, sounds good.

Tim, or somebody who can run the code for the Mindless Automaton, if you aren't busy can you start up the MA? Thanks.

At the moment, backup.php doesn't work. So there's no way to download the .zip file that MA (or the standalone code) uses. For all I know, MA is working fine and just can't get the .zip. I've filed a bug report, but so far there hasn't been a reply.

I see. I wasn't aware of that.

I've noticed that some of the older pages have fallen out of memory, with some particularly obvious, nonfunny typos. Though it likely to be a terrible idea, perhaps a Spelling Fairie day should be instituted?

I've been spell and grammar checking when I run into stuff. Do you have any pages/series of pages in particular that need it? I do agree alot of the older pages have been neglected. We probably ought to do a STUB day and start fixing stubs, then for the next BLD we can go through and look at old articles and see what Broken Links haven't been filled in yet.

No particular pages come to mind, but stuff inetably pops up.were not professionals after all.it just seems like general spelling and grammar checking has died down catastrofically.

Backup zip downloading has been fixed. However I haven't been able to get the BLT to work, and blt.zip is corrupted or something... Tim, you still around? Any thoughts?

I'll take a look

archive file format has changed.. looking into required fixes

Sweet, thanks. I am as ever in awe of your 1337 programming skills.

Big thanks to both of you for sorting this out.

blt_fixed2.zip seems to work now.. I posted most wanted.. the data is not quite as clean as what is spit out by the MA because the files with special characters in them show up as broken links.. other than that, it seems to work.

Okay, they moved awfully fast so it looks like they're not bots, they're people who are obsessed with spamming the wiki. The locks are temporary until we can figure out a good way to address this while keeping the wiki open for edits. Suggestions?

good solution for now

Oy. My kingdom for an IP ban.

Yeah no kidding.

I tracerted him. It looks like the IP may be in Poland.

Hey Tim, do you know anything about IP blocking? It looks in the settings like that has to be purchased, but since this entire wiki exists at the pleasure of "Tycho's" bank account, I'm not sure how to address that. This has gone well beyond easily-patched vandalism. A long, LONG time ago there was some discussion of moving the wiki... I don't know. But this is becoming a real problem.

Hmm...it seems to have stopped. *crosses fingers*

Hmmm.. I don't know anything about IP blocking.. there is still the elothtes.elwiki.com if we wanted to move I could spend a little more time making sure that everything transferred across seemlessly.. but it appears that the vandalism has subsided..

So does any one know what happened to the pictures? They don't seem to be working.

Nevermind. It was just the machine I was on.

What do we think about adding the C&C3 comic to the comic resources? It doesn't reference ELotH directly, but those file boxes... Book 14 is probably in there somewhere. Thoughts?

Well it does show that Tycho Brahe is working on other books/sources of revenue but also it shows the wealth of writing that he has done for ELotH. Perhaps Book 14 is in there or perhaps it is some other work yet to be published by him.

tried out putting the chat on the front page too see what happens

this is funny: http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=63550

That's freaking awesome. Though if I was a member of that forum I'd point out to Coinspinner that the wiki is far from empty now...

Nice. Not bad.

Am I just imagining a crossover episode involving this show and Wizbits or what? They seem like sort of similar shows and I'm wondering if there was any overlap in the production staff, but I can't find many fansites about it:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.AvatarAndTheAirbendingFellowshipOfVampireSlayers

No, I think you may be right. I can't remember the episode name though.

I think that the wizbits needs an entry on that wiki.. definately a great example of "Adaptation Decay"

Excellent. Perhaps the other Elemenstor Animations also deserve a page on there.

Is it just me, or is the search function totally not working in any way?

ok.. I put a google search on the sidebar.. it won't be up to date with the latest, but it seem like it'd be much nicer than having no search at all

this pleases me greatly

Hey guys!
Remember me? I used to write all kinds of stuff here some two years ago.

Anyway, I wonder, whether I could use the Elothtes franchise in potraying a character in a story, a geek who is obsessed with the Saga.

For real, would that be legal?

hey Jake! I don't think that anybody owns the rights to anything here (at least no claim of ownership has been made).. so I think its all fair game...

As would I.

did you guys know that we've been demoted? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epic_Legends_Of_The_Hierarchs:_The_Elemenstor_Saga&redirect=no

Boo! Obviously this is a conspiracy against ELotH by those Franzies over at wikipedia.

a funny thing to run across: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb19/TiwazTyrsfist/motivator5556944.jpg

Nice.

Totally venom

Nice. Good idea on the Facebook group.

perhaps its time to lock this page again

Yeah, that's probably a wise move.

locked... on an unrelated note... I've built a web site where I'm going to run the elothtes phalla...

http://phalla.somee.com/games.asp

anyone is welcome to help test the site if they so desire. thanks!

http://phalla.somee.com/gamedisplay.asp?g=31 -- sign up if you're interested... I'll post again here when the game is going to start

http://phalla.somee.com/gamedisplay.asp?g=31 -- this starts tomorrow -- already has generated some humor ;)

We need to update the front page for the upcoming Broken Link Day.

hey bfg00, have you ever created a pbwiki account?

I have not but I can.

Okay, I have one now.

ok.. no budget for punch and pie or balloons for the ceremony, but welcome to the council. DING! bgf00 is now a site administrator.

For those of you playing along at home: a careful reading of Book 9 will reveal that I invoked the bell of decisiveness there.

Well obviously. Although I would have eaten The Decisive Omelette, personally. Thanks for the promotion!

It seems that all the pages that contain an apostrophe in their title are now considered broken even though most of them aren't (look for the RPG Player's Handbook for instance). Is this some scheme by some devious mind to suppress Brahe's seminal use of punctuation or just an error in pbwiki?

haha.. I think it was just a temporary hiccup, because running mindless again seems to have resolved the issue

We going to convert his page to pbwiki2.0?

I don't think that pbwiki 2.0 is quite ready to handle a wiki of this size...

if you want to try out a 2.0 version of this wiki that I created.. feel free to motor over to here..

http://centuryoffire.pbwiki.com/FrontPage

Yeah, I can see what you mean. Is there anyway to customize the layout?

there are apparently some javascript gizmos that you can use to change around the layout, but they aren't officially supported...

also... if you want to edit the wiki, you need to sign up for a pbwiki account which means that casual users may shy away.

That's annoying. Is there anyway to turn that off?

nope... I think that's the real deal breaker for us right now..

Looks like they disabled the lock feature. That or I just can't find it.

actually... it looks like we're not a premium wiki anymore.. guess tycho has decided to stop paying for us.

Well damn.

holy cow! pbwiki 2.0, here we come!

Well this... is painful to look at. Hmm.

Yeah, I know. Sadly I had no choice but to upgrade 2.0 as they were going to force us anyways.